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Post by jayhawks147 on Jun 30, 2009 17:32:54 GMT -6
When will this crazy dude retire? And I can't believe roller approves of his job. I noticed that every time the Raiders make a decision roller ALWAYS takes Al's side. Raiders suck as long as Al Davis is alive.
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Post by whitewhale5384 on Jun 30, 2009 17:41:03 GMT -6
With all these young people kicking the bucket, its amazing that Al just keeps on kicking...
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Post by Kige Ramsey on Jun 30, 2009 17:45:54 GMT -6
The Raiders should have already been a winner with all that young talent
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Post by whitewhale5384 on Jun 30, 2009 17:47:12 GMT -6
JaMarcus Russell is a terrible quarterback, Kiger. I know your pals on TigerDroppings probably think he's the second coming.
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Post by jayhawks147 on Jun 30, 2009 17:49:55 GMT -6
And if anybody thinks Tom Cable will turn around the Raiders, ain't gonna happen when Al fires him 2 games into the season.
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Post by rollercoasterfreek on Jul 1, 2009 12:53:23 GMT -6
I believe he can turn them around. Look at YOUR team for instance. You guys were pissed at your GM and King Carl finally resigned. You had a worse record than us, yet you get no media attention because you're not the Raiders. Herm Edwards's firing was so silent throughout the media. The Raiders have alot of young Talent and quietly we made alot of good offseason moves. The adding of Greg Ellis should help us stop the run. The one thing I can argue is that if they stop the run, and are able to throw moderately well with Russell, we WILL make the playoffs IF they do those two things. Davis has not brain washed me. I actually don't always take Al's side, but you have to understand where he's coming from. We actually hired guys who are under a TEAM FIRST basis and don't have any off the field trouble. Tom Cable lives under the team first mentality and so do the players. We had a chance to win alot of the close games we played back in 2006 during that 2-14 season. If you paid attention, alot of them were nail biters. To Jayhawks, read this article: bleacherreport.com/articles/209935-ok-so-chiefs-fans-want-to-speak-on-the-raider-nation-huhTo everyone else, this is what the Raiders have done quietly this offseason: bleacherreport.com/articles/208302-calling-all-the-shots-tom-cables-first-year-in-oakland |
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Post by jayhawks147 on Jul 1, 2009 16:54:25 GMT -6
Shut up about the Chiefs. That's one bad year we had, we'll get better, because we have a good owner in Clark Hunt (not as good as his dad Lamar though). I don't give a rat's ass about some "bleacher report" site. If we get no media attention, that's fine with me. Chiefs have made some good moves this offseason too. Matt Cassel, plus a couple veteran linebackers that hopefully can make a difference. I'm not so sure about trading Tony G though. Either way, I think Cable can turn the team around even though he won't get the full opportunity.
Oh and you also talked about how during the 2-14 Raiders season the Raiders could have easily won more games. SO COULD HAVE LAST YEAR'S CHIEFS. We lost at least 4 games that we could have EASILY won.
By the way, I just read one sentence of that Bleacher Report article. Two lucky wins? That's when I quit reading the article, because it's BIASED AND INACCURATE.
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Post by jayhawks147 on Jul 1, 2009 16:57:11 GMT -6
Why should I trust a website that have fans write on? If it was John Clayton or Len Pasquarelli writing it, then maybe I'll read it. But if it's written by a Raiders fan which is clearly going to be biased, then I'm not going to take the time to read it.
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Post by rollercoasterfreek on Jul 1, 2009 17:17:58 GMT -6
That article has a ton of actual stats. KC fans started the war on bleacher report so a Raider fan did look into things and explained the truth.
If I was a Chiefs fan, I would have been pissed they took Jackson over Curry with the #3 pick. I don't see the logic why they pick him when they had Dorsey last season. They are switching to a 3-4 and I don't see the point in that.
You're gonna have to blame yourself for starting this thread or I wouldn't have put the link to that article here haha.
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Post by jayhawks147 on Jul 1, 2009 19:43:55 GMT -6
Picking Jackson wasn't NEARLY as dumb as picking DHB. Honestly. I would have preferred Curry, no question. But if I was a Raider fan I'd be pissed that they took DHB, haha.
The truth however is that the two wins were not luck. How were they lucky when we lead most of those games? Oh well.
I'm glad I started this thread, we need entertainment in the offseason, haha
By the way, who keeps changing the name of the thread? From Al Davis to old man with old balls to Darth Vader.
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Post by rollercoasterfreek on Jul 1, 2009 19:46:13 GMT -6
White Whale is in charge of that. I never said those two wins were lucky.
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Post by Pitino4Pres on Jul 1, 2009 20:54:29 GMT -6
In any event, this division is in rough shape. If the Chargers slip a bit, anyone can win the West. Even with just 6 wins!
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Post by krowmagnan on Jul 1, 2009 22:03:07 GMT -6
Al will rest when he is dead.. and even then his will might state that the raiders are to draft the most irrational player with their first pick of every year's draft.
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Post by jayhawks147 on Jul 2, 2009 10:12:56 GMT -6
I didn't say that you said the two wins were lucky. But I agree with pitino (not crum, haha), this division is in rough shape. That's why I think we have a slight chance at winning the division. I think the Raiders do as well.
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Post by rollercoasterfreek on Jul 2, 2009 10:57:40 GMT -6
You know ESPN always has bias stuff on the Raiders despite other teams have worse records than them. I'm so used to it I read/watch it as motivation.
Notice this video:
See how they target the Raiders first but then talk about DHB just failing? It is one thing to target the Raiders, but they were going after DHB and then laughing at him while interviewing.
If he was taken later in the first round, this talk about him would never have happened.
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Post by jayhawks147 on Jul 2, 2009 17:10:55 GMT -6
Drafting DHB shows why Davis needs to retire.
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Post by rollercoasterfreek on Jul 2, 2009 18:57:57 GMT -6
^ He's not going to retire. We wanted a guy with good work ethic and we believe in that. You do notice our roster has alot of guys who are good off the field right? We dumped alot of that extra baggage like DeAngelo Hall and Ronald Curry.
I wasn't happy we took DHB first, but I'm not mad we didn't draft Crabtree. I originally wanted an OT like Monroe or a DT like Orakpo and then taking an WR in the second round. Alot of college football experts I talked to felt alot of these WRs were overhyped and it was a reach just to take a WR in the first round.
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Post by jayhawks147 on Jul 2, 2009 20:52:06 GMT -6
He's too old to be doing anything. So he should retire. He knows that he won't win two more Super Bowls or even one more Super Bowl so he should retire. Even though I've enjoyed seeing the Raiders down, I wish they'd be more competitive. But if Al is going to fire coaches year in and year out, then that will never happen. You said that Lane Kiffin's heart wasn't with the team, but do you think Al's heart is with the team? Do you think the players like going through coach after coach?
DHB could be good, but he wasn't even a projected first rounder, which is why it made no sense. But maybe he will be good.
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Post by rollercoasterfreek on Jul 2, 2009 21:58:05 GMT -6
If Cable has good chemistry with the team, he won't be fired. Let me break down the past few coaches on why they were fired.
Bill Callahan was fired for pretty much under the "what have you done for me now?" scenario. He practically called us the dumbest team in America.
Norv Turner deserved to be fired because of his inability to take risks. Did you see how passive he was when coaching? He would never go for it on 4th down and his play calling was rather terrible. He also did not put in reserves in garbage time and it was terrible how he used the players.
Art Shell had the worst coaching staff ever. We had an embarrassing offense where LT outscored us and we only had 12 offensive touchdowns as a team that year. Tom Walsh and everyone else were just plain terrible. He hired the wrong people. I do agree Shell shouldn't have been fired, but that staff deserved it.
Kiffin was fired because he had no heart. Yes I agree he should have been fired in the offseason if that was the case, but as Davis said, even if we were 4-0, he would still be fired. You can understand the drama from both perspectives.
I am not saying Davis is perfect in any means, but when you understand where he is coming from, it makes sense. Based on what Kiffin has done at Tennessee, it was the right thing to dump him.
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Post by jayhawks147 on Jul 3, 2009 10:04:03 GMT -6
They may have not been the best coaches, but two years is all they get? And I don't see how Kiffin's heart wasn't with the team, but I'm not sure. Kiffin is making dumb moves at Tennessee, but I still think he'll have them winning big.
I think they were smart to fire Callahan, but they should have given Turner and Shell at least one more year, and Kiffin at least should have been given the rest of the year. But firing Kiffin wasn't as dumb as hiring Kiffin. A 32-year-old who didn't even have NFL coaching expierence? That confused me.
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